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PostSubject: Brock Lesnar's next fight   Brock Lesnar's next fight Icon_minitimeThu Aug 20, 2009 5:05 pm

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UFC Heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar (4-1) will likely defend his newly-unified gold against 6"4 255 pound Shane Carwin (11-0) at UFC 106 on November 21 from Las Vegas. The fight has not been confirmed yet by the UFC but was originally reported by MMAMadness.com and has been widely reported by the MMA media.

It had been rumored that Carwin would fight Cain Velasquez (6-0) at UFC 106 with the winner getting a shot at Lesnar next year. However, Valasquez will now fight an unnamed opponent on UFC 106 and there's talk of him getting a shot at the winner of Lesnar-Carwin.

After defeating Frank Mir at UFC 100, Brock Lenar received a lot of heat for his post-fight antics, which included flipping off the crowd, taunting Mir, talking about getting on top of his wife and badmouthing one of UFC's biggest sponsors, Budweiser. Shane Carwin posted a long blog about Lesnar not acting like a champion and was clearly putting himself on the champion's radar.
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PostSubject: Re: Brock Lesnar's next fight   Brock Lesnar's next fight Icon_minitimeThu Aug 20, 2009 6:16 pm

I really don't like this idea purely because there's noone to really fight Velasquez right now other than Carwin. Couture and Nog are set to fight shortly, Mir and Kongo are expected to meet sometime after UFC 106, Dos Santos and Cro Cop are fighting at UFC 103, who else does he really have left? I believe even Gonzaga is fighting at UFC 102, maybe Herring if he's healthy? I would hate to have to see Velasquez face another can.
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PostSubject: Re: Brock Lesnar's next fight   Brock Lesnar's next fight Icon_minitimeThu Aug 20, 2009 6:50 pm

I think that the UFC really wanted and really thought that they would get Fedor, since they basically gave him everything he wanted, accept co-promotion thing. He obviously said no and now they are scrambling to put a fight tother with Lesnar. I don't think that Gonzaga or Cro Cop can really chalenge Lesnar and he destroyed Mir, Herring, and Couture.
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PostSubject: Re: Brock Lesnar's next fight   Brock Lesnar's next fight Icon_minitimeThu Aug 20, 2009 11:01 pm

That's actually a good point about them planning Carwin/Velasquez under the assumption that they'd get Fedor and make the Fedor/Lesnar winner get the Carwin/Velasquez winner. I would've probably waited until after UFC 102 to make the announcement because if Nog wins, then they could make Nog/Lesnar since Nog was the #1 contender before Mir beat him anyways.
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PostSubject: Re: Brock Lesnar's next fight   Brock Lesnar's next fight Icon_minitimeThu Aug 20, 2009 11:48 pm

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By Dave Meltzer, Yahoo! Sports
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Buzz up!24 votes PrintUFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar’s second title defense will be Nov. 21 in Las Vegas against fellow powerhouse wrestler Shane Carwin.

Carwin, 11-0, has beaten everyone put in front of him, six by knockout or TKO and five by submission. His longest fight is 2 minutes and 11 seconds.

At 6-foot-2 and 260 pounds, with a stellar collegiate wrestling background, he would pose the toughest power and style challenge of Lesnar’s short mixed martial arts career.

Carwin was scheduled to face Cain Velasquez (6-0) on Oct. 24 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles in what UFC president Dana White had billed as a match to determine Lesnar’s next challenger. Instead, Lesnar vs. Carwin will headline a show that would include the return of Tito Ortiz, facing UFC Hall of Famer Mark Coleman.


“Brock is ready to go now and wants to fight,” said White. “Carwin makes the most sense. He’s 11-0, and he’s been kicking the [expletive] out of everybody. [Gabriel] Gonzaga destroyed [Mirko] Cro Cop and he [Carwin] totally destroyed Gonzaga. Plus, he hates Brock Lesnar.”

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Sources outside the UFC confirmed Velasquez was told on Thursday that the fight was off because Carwin was being moved to face Lesnar. Velasquez was told he would be given a new opponent for Oct. 24.

Carwin has been the most vocal of the UFC heavyweight contenders in criticizing Lesnar (4-1). After retaining his title over Frank Mir in the biggest MMA event in U.S. history at UFC 100 on July 11, Lesnar got in Mir’s face, causing officials to jump between them. He then flipped off the audience that booed him heavily the entire fight, insulted UFC’s main sponsor, Bud Light, and did a pro wrestling-style interview.

“The flipping off of the fans that just lined your pocket with millions of dollars is just lame,” Carwin said in the week after UFC 100. “He may be a champion, but he has a long ways to go before he earns the respect of a champion. The fans are why we do this, Brock. This sport is not about fat paychecks and drama. It is about hard work and sacrifice for a shot to do what you did [that] night. It doesn’t matter how much money you make if you can’t earn your peers’ respect and the respect and love of the greatest sporting fans in the world.”

Carwin also played the pro wrestling card – the profession Lesnar garnered celebrity status in between 2002-2004 – which seemed to get under Lesnar’s skin when played in prior matches by Heath Herring and Mir.

“We have no scripts in this sport, no predetermined earning amount and no predetermined outcomes,” Carwin wrote. “It doesn’t matter if you win or lose, it matters how you win or lose.”

“He hates Brock Lesnar,” said White. “It’s going to be two huge guys going at it. He’s got the power to knock anybody out and he’s got great wrestling too. He’s one of the guys that has the size to match up with Brock, too. This is one of those fights that could be wild. Someone’s going to get their head knocked off.”

Carwin, 34, is probably the closest athletic equivalent to Lesnar in MMA.

Both are huge men with strong backgrounds in wrestling as well as heavy powerlifting. Lesnar was Division I national wrestling champion at the University of Minnesota in 2000. Carwin competed at the Division II level for Western State College in Gunnison, Colo., where he was 1999 national champion, and was twice a Division II All-America linebacker in football.

Simply through his background, Carwin would pose the toughest style threat to Lesnar to date. If his wrestling is good enough to stop Lesnar from taking him down, Carwin would appear to have an advantage and pack the harder punch, even though neither are great technical strikers. More likely in a standing battle with guys of that power, it would come down to who landed first.

From a credentials standpoint, Division I wrestling is a level above Division II, but that is also a decade ago. In their UFC 96 match in March, Gonzaga took Carwin down, and Lesnar is bigger, stronger and a better wrestler than Gonzaga. Carwin is untested on his back and also completely untested in terms of conditioning for a long match.

Nate Marquardt, who has trained with Carwin, noted the Carwin trains in high altitude in Colorado, and doesn’t think cardio would be an issue. Lesnar’s cardio for a long fight is also untested for someone who is near his size and has wrestling ability, although he did go the full 15 minutes in a 2008 win over Heath Hering.

Carwin’s wrestling ability is such that even if he is taken down, he wouldn’t likely be controlled and dominated without being able to get up through sheer power, like Lesnar was able to do in his fights with Herring and the second fight with Mir.

Carwin is most dangerous for a strong right hand, which felled Gonzaga, Christian Wellisch and Neil Wain in his three UFC outings. His record for quick wins is impressive, but it also has included only one top level heavyweight, Gonzaga. He showed both good and bad signs in that fight. He was taken down immediately, and had his nose broken from a punch, which required surgery that kept him out of action for several months. But seconds later, when he connected on Gonzaga standing, the match was over in just 1:09.

Lesnar (4-1), the sport’s ultimate villain, has replaced the retired Oscar De La Hoya as the biggest pay-per-view draw in combat sports, putting up big numbers in all four of his UFC fights.

From a business standpoint, the match makes sense on several levels. Had the Carwin vs. Velasquez winner gotten the next shot, as White had talked about, Lesnar wouldn’t be available to fight until Super Bowl weekend at the earliest. Carwin vs. Velasquez would also eliminate the loser from possible contention.

The heavyweight division, in terms of depth, is the strongest in the history of the company, even after the failure to sign standout Fedor Emelianenko.

Besides Velasquez, in the wings as title contenders in early 2010 would include winners of the Aug. 29 fight in Portland, Ore., with former champions Randy Couture and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, as well as the winner of a Sept. 19 fight in Dallas between Cro Cop and Junior Dos Santos.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock Lesnar's next fight   Brock Lesnar's next fight Icon_minitimeFri Aug 21, 2009 2:22 pm

The only interesting thing right now for me is to see how solid Lesnar's chin is. He really hasn't been hit hard at all and for all we know he could be an Andrei Arlovski who just hasn't gotten hit yet. Obviously if Carwin lands a good shot, he'll show us what Lesnar's made of.
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