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PostSubject: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeSat Jan 19, 2008 4:34 am

I am currently watching WrestleMania XX and one thing came to my mind. John Cena really did grew in popularity really quick. This WrestleMania he opened up the show against Big Show and winning the United States Championship. Only to lose the title later on in the year and enter up winning the WWE Championship from JBL at WrestleMania 21. Is anyone amazed at how far John Cena has came in his career?
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeSat Jan 19, 2008 4:41 am

Yes, his rise to the top came very quickly. Personally I believe his massive push should of been done a lot slower, him getting the title at WrestleMania 22 perhaps. People got sick of having him shoved down there throats and were annoyed that someone this new reveived such a big push over people like RVD, Booker T, Matt Hardy etc.
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeSat Jan 19, 2008 9:41 am

lol Matt Hardy is in that list. Yeah Cena got a massive push and they gave to him as soon as possible. When you are a face and you are getting the job done and everyone (well almost everyone) loves you, mega pushes just happen. One example Rey Mysterio I still do not think he deserved the World Title but his fued with Heel Eddie then, Eddie's death and Rey dedicating his matches to him Rey gets extremely popular and a cruiserweight ends up the World Champ. Not saying these things should happen but its just the way the WWE works.
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeSat Jan 19, 2008 10:24 am

Rey Mysterio had been a pro wrestler for many years and had held countless titles before he won the WHC. Cena had been in big time wrestling for like two years when he won the WWE Championship. Rey Mysterio earned his belt despite being a pretty lousy champ.
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeSat Jan 19, 2008 11:38 am

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Rey Mysterio had been a pro wrestler for many years and had held countless titles before he won the WHC. Cena had been in big time wrestling for like two years when he won the WWE Championship. Rey Mysterio earned his belt despite being a pretty lousy champ.
Either way they both got the mega push for fan support if Eddie was still alive I think Rey would be going back and forth between U.S. and Cruiserweight right now and Eddie would be going for WHC.
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeWed Jan 23, 2008 2:07 am

I have to ask one question. What happened to Molly Holly, she was possibly one good woman wrestler they had. During the match between Victoria and Molly Holly. Title versus Hair Match. I couldn't help but laugh at what Jerry Lawyer said about Molly wearing training pants and how he said JR liked woman with training pants. JR seemed like he was getting extremely annoyed because he mentioned, "King I didn't come here to talk about training pants!"

Then when Victoria strapped Molly into the barber chair, I heard King asked if the chair was "one of those vibrator" chairs. I heard JR said in the most annoyed voice, "You Wish." I couldn't help but laugh at King during the entire match. But I also witnessed Molly's skills in the ring and she is quite good, what happened to her? Does she do Indies work now? She should go to TNA and be a part of their Knockout division.
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeWed Jan 23, 2008 2:10 am

I don't remember why she left, but I think I remember that she left on good terms with WWE. So if she ever wanted to come back, I'm sure WWE wouldn't have a problem.
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeWed Jan 23, 2008 2:36 am

Bumi wrote:
I What happened to Molly Holly, she was possibly one good woman wrestler they had.
According to Wikipedia she's working for a rehab program and doing missions work in Guatemala. No idea if that's actually true.
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeWed Jan 23, 2008 2:51 am

I really wish Molly would come back. Also, she was beautiful as well. More classy female wrestler. She seemed like she had more class when she did Diva work as well. I wish she will come back and win the woman's title. Let's face it, WWE hardly has any good woman wrestlers other then "divas" who prance around half naked.
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeWed Jan 23, 2008 12:31 pm

Well she was at the 15 aniversery of Raw so she must be on good terms with WWE so I agree with baba if she wanted to come back she could.
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeWed Jan 23, 2008 6:55 pm

What did everyone think about the Brock Lasner and Goldberg match. I do not see why everyone hated this match. The match wasn't that bad at all. I think the real reason was because no body really cared. Mostly due to the fact they somehow knew Goldberg was leaving and Brock was leaving to try and play football. Well we see how well that went, but Brock did find success outside of WWE, mostly wrestling in Japan. I heard he is now entering UFC's turf.

I hope Molly decides to come back, she might be someone good to rival with Beth Phoenix and Mickie James. Although she might due better in TNA's division seeing how they seem to focus on wrestling and not modeling.
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeWed Jan 23, 2008 7:20 pm

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Well we see how well that went, but Brock did find success outside of WWE, mostly wrestling in Japan. I heard he is now entering UFC's turf.
Yeah he's in UFC, I believe he is fighting in UFC 81, which is the next one. Sometime early February, so I won't have long to wait for his second MMA fight. That first one ended way too quick to even see whether he was any good.
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeThu Jan 24, 2008 3:33 am

Wait do you mean in UFC? My brother told me that he has been fighting for quite some time already. He told me to search it on Youtube. Although what really happened and why didn't he come back the WWE? What was the problem there something to do with an NFL contract?
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeSat Jan 26, 2008 7:54 pm

I agree John Cena got the massive push way to fast. I mean he was really over in WWE in 2004 and the begining of 2005. I have to say that in 2004 he probelly was the most over Superstar in the WWE, if not one of the most over guys. They gave him the title to fast, I agree, they should of had him win it for the first time at Mania 22 if anything. I bet you his reaction would be alot different then it was when he went in front of Chicago that night. I don't think Cena has ever been that GREAT of a wrestler, he got over because everone loved his gimmick. His RAW attitude when he was over on Smackdown. So when he gets the title, what do they do? They change the gimmick that everyone loved, and try to make him into a modern day Hulk Hogan and alot of people weren't buying that. Kinda of like Victoria, she was getting over for her psychopathic character. And what do they do? They change her into an exotic dancer? They kept the belt on Cena way to long, I mean go back to Unforgiven in 2006 when he defeated Edge, in the TLC match, you could clearly see on his face that he didn't even really want to win the title back. That was real emotion, he looks out to the crowd and knew what was going to happen when he grabbed the belt down. He knew that the haters would rag on him even worse then before. As for Rey Mysterio they pissed me off the way they went about his storyline to the deceased "Eddie Guerrero". It was tasteless, it made Rey look weak and WWE bad in terms of had they push the envelope on storylines. Although I've always wanted Rey to win the title, (although I admit I was routing for Angle) they didn't do it right. I mean he is the World Champ and then loses to "talentless" Khali in about a 40 second match weeks later?
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeSat Jan 26, 2008 9:23 pm

cena isnt gonna be at wm24.but he will bck in july.
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PostSubject: Re: WrestleMania XX   WrestleMania XX Icon_minitimeSat Jan 26, 2008 9:36 pm

Bumi wrote:
Wait do you mean in UFC? My brother told me that he has been fighting for quite some time already.
Well he hasn't had many fights (just one actually), but he did a lot of training because he was almost completely new to the sport. Initial training takes a lot of time and normally in MMA, it takes months and months between fights, so he hasn't actually been fighting much, but training, then yes he's spent quite some time on it already.

Bumi wrote:
He told me to search it on Youtube.
If you want to find his MMA fight, then search up Lesnar vs Min Soo Kim. I believe it was with K1, though I'm not 100% sure on that one. It was an impressive debut while it lasted, but his oppoenent was pretty bad because his original opponent had to pull out of the fight almost at the last minute.

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Although what really happened and why didn't he come back the WWE? What was the problem there something to do with an NFL contract?
He originally left WWE to tryout for an NFL team. I want to say the Minnesota Vikings, but once again, don't quote me on this one. At one point I remember rumours swirled about a possible return, but ultimately those were put on rest again after he decided that he wanted to try new things (which turned out to be MMA).
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