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Subject: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:52 pm
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Needs to stop listening to Retards Attempting poetry.
remember you cannot spell crap without rap.
The above is quoted from Sykesy's feud with MF.
So Rap is for retards ?
So Acting Must be for retards too right?
Because Eminem won an oscar for his rapping and actors win oscars all the time ?
You dont see any of these long hair'd wrist cutting fucks winning oscars do you , and theres a reason.
Because they are shit .....
Half the time all they are doing is screaming into the mic like some drunk with throat cancer.
Rap will always be better than that shite.
Lets have your lame comeback then .....
Sykesy "Mean is making Jess Mancini ride her bike home after I ass fucked her" - Johnny 'Drama' Chase
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:33 am
Your are aware myself and Mfs fued wasnt serious, Anyway Wrist cutting is Emo's. If you havent noticed im not into bands like My Chemical romance and stuff which is emo music. Secondly Avenged Sevenfold Doesnt even scream into a microphone and M.Shadows doesnt have throat cancer thats for sure just listen to "Dear God".
but you state Rap is better then Metal, Sorry as much as people might disagree its not even close. Well known Rappers are Eminem, Tupac and Snoop Dogg At best. All these other rappers like Immortal technique etc. Are known well throughout the rap music community, Not the music community. They could be known but no where near as well as such METAL bands as Metallica, Black Sabbath, Guns N Roses, Linkin park, MegaDeth, Motorhead etc.
Also just look at Record sales from Metallica prepared to Eminem and there is your answer on which is better.
At the end of the day this comes down to a matter of opinion but stats usually back up my opinion.
BTW, Who si the instant copy and paste .... And you call me lame. Quite ironic dont ya think
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:02 am
Sykesy wrote:
but you state Rap is better then Metal, Sorry as much as people might disagree its not even close. Well known Rappers are Eminem, Tupac and Snoop Dogg At best. All these other rappers like Immortal technique etc. Are known well throughout the rap music community, Not the music community. They could be known but no where near as well as such METAL bands as Metallica, Black Sabbath, Guns N Roses, Linkin park, MegaDeth, Motorhead etc.
While we're on a music debate, I shall join in a tad.
Well known rappers you state Eminem, Tupac, and Snoop at best and then seemingly nobody else is well known to the music industry as a whole? Are we not forgetting 50 Cent, Kanye West, Jay Z, etc.? There are plenty of big names that can sell like the Snoop's of the industry.
Sykesy wrote:
Also just look at Record sales from Metallica prepared to Eminem and there is your answer on which is better.
At the end of the day this comes down to a matter of opinion but stats usually back up my opinion.
When you choose stats, you have to consider the changing measure of statistics. By that I mean that the statistics will change in meaning when you look at the economy around it. You name bands like Sabbath, Guns N Roses, and these are bands that sold records in a time when metal was an obvious mainstream favourite and people were actually buying records.
Fast forward to today, and popular bands today (as much as it pains me to say) like Linkin Park will only sell and top out at about 3x platinum. Not only is the market for music more diverse with the mainstream popularity of rap, trance, reggaeton (well at least for me...boy do I feel lonely listening to it all by myself), etc. the money people spend on albums will diversify and no artist will meet the success of the old school metal bands.
Also, the technology today has gotten to a point where downloads are all over the place. You can download a song for free, I'm sure that'll be what teens are doing now and I'm not alone in that. Also, the time it takes to download an album is less than the time it takes you to go to a record store. Also, some albums leak before the release date, so fans can download the album sometimes before it even comes out. So if you can get it for cheaper, faster, and earlier, what incentive is there now to go out and buy the records now?
Your statistic of sales is vastly outdated, it holds about as much meaning as a win-loss record in wrestling when you try and correlate that to their skill and technical abilities. If you want to convince me that metal, punk, rock, or whatever is a better genre, you'll have to do better than that.
*EDIT* Hey C-Mak, do you want to tone down the language a bit and we can move this into the media section? I think the topic has potential to actually be about something. If you want to continue, it's fine by me (I know it's fun ), I'll just leave it here.
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:15 am
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Metallica, Black Sabbath, Guns N Roses, Linkin park, MegaDeth, Motorhead
I've only heard of a few of those, and motorhead I only heard of cause they did triple h's theme song.
Rap is bigger right now than metal and thats for damn sure. not just in the states either, but globally. You here about rappers from everywhere nowdays. My dad could even name more rappers than he could metal bands and he doesnt like either of them at all. Even going by what you say, Eminem, Snoop and Pac are so much more famous than any of the bands you listed. Keisha Cole ft. Tupac playa cardz right is one of the hottest songs out right now, and the mans been dead 12 years. Snoop Dogg has a reality show. More people know who they are. What about Ice Cube? Everybody knows Ice Cube. LL Cool, Vanilla Ice, 50 Cent, DMX, Wu, Busta Rhymes. These guys are all over the place. In movies, videogames(def jam vendetta for DMX, Meth, Red. Def Jam Fight For NY for Busta. 50 cent bulletproof for 50). You tell me how your point is valid in anyway.
Sykesy "Mean is making Jess Mancini ride her bike home after I ass fucked her" - Johnny 'Drama' Chase
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:00 am
Umm a few of those, Are you kidding. metallica are the fourth most successfull band of all time, linkin park are huge and that is a very small list.
Also your dad knows all these rappers but look at his son, He is into rap isnt he. So of course he is going to know quite alot.
now saying Eminem and Tupac are more well known then Metallica and Guns N Roses. i wouldnt count on that. GNR dominated the 80s as did metallica through the ninties. Unless you have had your head buried in the ground since 82 then you would of heard of these bands. Eminem has gotten alot of exposure so basically the same as with GNR and Metallica but i wouldnt compare him to metallica. Tupac i have the utmost respect for his accomplishments when he was alive and now deseased but in all honesty he was huge and still is but i wouldnt rank him above Metallica. His is massive in the rap, RnB community but metallica is massive in the music community.
Bek Main Eventer
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:38 am
I normally wouldn't get into these, but on the music debate, I personally think it's stupid you're arguing over what genre is better. Every genre serves its own purpose, no genre is superior to another. All lyrics mean something to someone. For example, I like country because it relates to me, but that doesn't mean I consider it superior to any other genre, it just relates to me more than others. I could make a case for country being the best, and for the last 20 years, I have the facts to prove it, but I'm not going to, because I know that not everyone likes it, and not everyone is going to like it.
It's all about preference, no one is going to like the same thing as everyone else, that's why we have the right of free speech, and people shouldn't be arguing about music, just take it for what it is. Every piece of music is going to relate to someone somewhere, just because it doesn't relate to you, doesn't mean it's any less good than what does.
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:59 am
Bek is right. Everything she said. I think everyone should listen to her. Not one genre is better then another. Except all genres are better then techno. Who listens to that shit?
Sykesy wrote:
His is massive in the rap, RnB community but metallica is massive in the music community.
Rap and RnB is in the music community and right now can be considered the biggest part of it.
Just throwing my two cents in.
Best 2pac song ever
Inah Head Bitch In Charge
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:16 am
I could argue that Rock is better than any other genre. I could use statistics, insult other genres that I think is inferior to Rock. Someone could argue that Pop music is the best genre of all, but really, that would not prove any point at all. Obviously, we have different tastes. We are different people at the end of the day after all. It's a matter of opinion as other people have said. In my opinion, whatever we argue is the better genre, none of us will ever be right. Diversity is there after all to feed our different tastes; there really is no need to show contempt to other genres that we don't like, because I know that you wouldn't like it if another person dissed your genre.
stl311 The Omega VIP
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:53 am
Being a former radio personality I had to listen to both kinds of music. I'll openly admit there was times when I wanted to hear rap (Ice Cube, Snoop, Chamillionaire, Xzibit, Bone Thugz, old school Nelly, Fort Minor) and then times I wanted to rock out (Rev Theory, Metallica, Disturbed, Godsmack, Nickelback, Thousand Foot Krutch) and even times when I was feeling a little blues (Hootie and The Blowfish, Rehab)
The point being music is life, and life is about emotion. Music thrives on emotion. When I'm partying I'm more into rap or hip hop, when I'm wrestling I prefer rock, when I'm sad, blues. I try to keep close with all kinds of musicians...and just to prove I'm not full of shit...here is Shontelle's myspace...look down on her friends list and you will indeed see how big of a deal STL really is.
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:30 pm
Sykesy wrote:
Umm a few of those, Are you kidding. metallica are the fourth most successfull band of all time, linkin park are huge and that is a very small list.
Also your dad knows all these rappers but look at his son, He is into rap isnt he. So of course he is going to know quite alot.
now saying Eminem and Tupac are more well known then Metallica and Guns N Roses. i wouldnt count on that. GNR dominated the 80s as did metallica through the ninties. Unless you have had your head buried in the ground since 82 then you would of heard of these bands. Eminem has gotten alot of exposure so basically the same as with GNR and Metallica but i wouldnt compare him to metallica. Tupac i have the utmost respect for his accomplishments when he was alive and now deseased but in all honesty he was huge and still is but i wouldnt rank him above Metallica. His is massive in the rap, RnB community but metallica is massive in the music community.
Tupac is almost as famous as elvis. No metal band is that famous.
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:33 pm
Just to back up the fact that rap is a major mainstream genre of music, Jay-Z headlined Glastonbury, which is like the biggest musical festival in the UK.
C-Makaveli WWE Superstar
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:43 am
Basically TIC all you have been doing is speaking down on Hip Hop like many others have , and look what happened , its still here.
We have stars like Tupac , Eminem , Biggie , Jay Z , Dr Dre , Ice Cube , 50 Cent , Kanye West , The Game , Busta Rhymes , Diddy , Snoop Dogg , Nas , Lupe Fiasco , Bone Thugs , Ti , Chamillionaire and i could go on.
In Metal you have bands from twenty years ago draining the last drops from their careers just to earn a bit more money , theres no passion for it.
Sykesy "Mean is making Jess Mancini ride her bike home after I ass fucked her" - Johnny 'Drama' Chase
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:28 pm
Lup Fiasco, Ice Cube, 50 Cent etc. havent even been around for 20 years mate so what the point in bring that up
DJ Hipp WWE Superstar
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:12 pm
Sykesy wrote:
Lup Fiasco, Ice Cube, 50 Cent etc. havent even been around for 20 years mate so what the point in bring that up
They've been alive for 20 years. And he wasnt saying being around for 20 years is good, because its not. it just means your broke.
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:26 pm
The Bandit wrote:
Sykesy wrote:
Lup Fiasco, Ice Cube, 50 Cent etc. havent even been around for 20 years mate so what the point in bring that up
They've been alive for 20 years. And he wasnt saying being around for 20 years is good, because its not. it just means your broke.
Or they love their job. Not to mention some singers could easily retire and still have the money. Some people just go around on tours and sing those same songs they always have been for the fans and some make new ones. I'm sure some of them do it for the money but, that doesn't mean their broke just that they're greedy. For the 20 years it's an invalid point it just says that they started before other people. Just trust me on two things, artists whose been around for twenty years are definitly not broke and it be wrong to assume in that when rappers have been around for twenty years that they wouldn't be one who isn't in it for the money.
In closing, their is no surperior genre as everyone prefers something else.
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:43 pm
Y2J X wrote:
The Bandit wrote:
Sykesy wrote:
Lup Fiasco, Ice Cube, 50 Cent etc. havent even been around for 20 years mate so what the point in bring that up
They've been alive for 20 years. And he wasnt saying being around for 20 years is good, because its not. it just means your broke.
Or they love their job. Not to mention some singers could easily retire and still have the money. Some people just go around on tours and sing those same songs they always have been for the fans and some make new ones. I'm sure some of them do it for the money but, that doesn't mean their broke just that they're greedy. For the 20 years it's an invalid point it just says that they started before other people. Just trust me on two things, artists whose been around for twenty years are definitly not broke and it be wrong to assume in that when rappers have been around for twenty years that they wouldn't be one who isn't in it for the money.
In closing, their is no surperior genre as everyone prefers something else.
and there are some rappers like Big Daddy Kane still rapping close to or over 20 years later(I dont know exact dates) and he's definately not broke.
syeskys whole case is one big invalid point, so it doesnt matter if anyone else makes an ivalid point, his "points" didnt make any sense to start with.
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:05 pm
The Bandit wrote:
Y2J X wrote:
The Bandit wrote:
Sykesy wrote:
Lup Fiasco, Ice Cube, 50 Cent etc. havent even been around for 20 years mate so what the point in bring that up
They've been alive for 20 years. And he wasnt saying being around for 20 years is good, because its not. it just means your broke.
Or they love their job. Not to mention some singers could easily retire and still have the money. Some people just go around on tours and sing those same songs they always have been for the fans and some make new ones. I'm sure some of them do it for the money but, that doesn't mean their broke just that they're greedy. For the 20 years it's an invalid point it just says that they started before other people. Just trust me on two things, artists whose been around for twenty years are definitly not broke and it be wrong to assume in that when rappers have been around for twenty years that they wouldn't be one who isn't in it for the money.
In closing, their is no surperior genre as everyone prefers something else.
and there are some rappers like Big Daddy Kane still rapping close to or over 20 years later(I dont know exact dates) and he's definately not broke.
syeskys whole case is one big invalid point, so it doesnt matter if anyone else makes an ivalid point, his "points" didnt make any sense to start with.
Actually from what I read, all points made on this thread made sense but, that doesn't mean it's valid. The thing I'm trying to get at is that this entire thread is pointless, nobody is going to win and nobody is going to change their opinions.
Bek Main Eventer
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:52 am
Y2J X wrote:
The Bandit wrote:
Sykesy wrote:
Lup Fiasco, Ice Cube, 50 Cent etc. havent even been around for 20 years mate so what the point in bring that up
They've been alive for 20 years. And he wasnt saying being around for 20 years is good, because its not. it just means your broke.
Or they love their job. Not to mention some singers could easily retire and still have the money. Some people just go around on tours and sing those same songs they always have been for the fans and some make new ones. I'm sure some of them do it for the money but, that doesn't mean their broke just that they're greedy. For the 20 years it's an invalid point it just says that they started before other people. Just trust me on two things, artists whose been around for twenty years are definitly not broke and it be wrong to assume in that when rappers have been around for twenty years that they wouldn't be one who isn't in it for the money.
In closing, their is no surperior genre as everyone prefers something else.
You've pretty much hit it on the head there Y2JX, just because someone's been around 20 years, doesn't mean they're any less good. For example, I'll do country singers here, because I know the genre, George Strait debuted in 1981, he's still releasing Number One songs, and Number one Albums, and is still winning awards. Actually in recent memory, I can't think of a year where he hasn't had 3 Number Ones +...I mean the guy has had 56 number one songs. Another is Garth Brooks, who's retired, yet released a greatest hits album last year, and it went 5-times platinum, that was in the space of two months. The guy has sold 128 million albums in the US alone, and is still going, and it's not even anything new, it's just albums selling over and over and over. He's the highest selling solo artist ever, yet has been retired for close to 8 years now, and in reality, is still the biggest drawcard in country. Alan Jackson came along about the same time as Garth, and has recently passed the 50million album sale mark in the US.
So being around 20 years, doesn't mean you're broke. And this thread is pretty pointless, I do have to say, no one is going to change anyone's opinion. Everyone likes something different, and it's our right to.
C-Makaveli WWE Superstar
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:43 pm
This thread isnt supposed to make anyone change their opinion , its about TIC being a prick and disrespecting a genre of music that so many people like and then acting like the one he likes is the greatest ever.
This thread is basically about respect.
stl311 The Omega VIP
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:20 pm
"The Sound of Respect is Silence"
"Respect is given and not earned"
You two are arguing over this...those are quotes a wrestling elder gave to me. We will respect you more if you don't make petty arguments, period.
Sykesy "Mean is making Jess Mancini ride her bike home after I ass fucked her" - Johnny 'Drama' Chase
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:40 pm
C-Makaveli wrote:
This thread isnt supposed to make anyone change their opinion , its about TIC being a prick and disrespecting a genre of music that so many people like and then acting like the one he likes is the greatest ever.
This thread is basically about respect.
How am i not respecting rap, Me and MF were having a joke at first and it just seemed you couldnt handle it when you were not even involved .. WTF?
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:16 am
Sykesy wrote:
How am i not respecting rap, Me and MF were having a joke at first and it just seemed you couldnt handle it when you were not even involved .. WTF?
So , In the feud section , where people who haves beefs come to solve their problems .... you and MF decided to have a fake feud and then not expect people to get involved ?
Your really need to do other things with your life than start fake feuds on a forum.
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:32 am
It wasn't a fake feud. I felt Sykesy was looking for a fight with me but he wasn't. It was a misunderstanding which was quickly defused. But it wasn't done for a joke, the beginning comments made were in jest but when we got into it, neither of us were having a laugh.
Sykesy "Mean is making Jess Mancini ride her bike home after I ass fucked her" - Johnny 'Drama' Chase
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:53 pm
Yeah at first, But when you look back i would take it as a joke
stl311 The Omega VIP
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Subject: Re: C-Makaveli Owning The Instant Copy & Paste Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:08 am
Music is life...dissing a type of music is like insulting someone's culture...STL has came to a ruling that TIC did instigate this...
Judgement, and PWNAGE goes to C-Mak....
In other words TIC you must apologize.
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