During the 2007 VMAs in Las Vegas, West delivered another rant and lost his temper after he was displeased with his performance being set inside a hotel suite rather than on the show's main stage.
'Ye's rants are usually in support of his own work. He memorably took the stage at the American Music Awards in 2004, declaring he was robbed of the Best New Artist nod.
His protest against Swift, however, was not well received. West stood briefly on the stage after his comments as the crowd was silent. Audience members then began to clap in support of Swift after West left the stage.
According to reports from inside the house, once cameras cut away from the action, West flipped off the crowd and returned to his seat. During the next commercial break, Pink walked by the rapper and appeared to shake her head in disgust before security escorted her away. West remained steadfast amidst the commotion as he kissed his girlfriend Amber Rose.
credit: mtv.com
Here's the video:
WHAT A JERK!
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:57 pm
haha gotta love Kanye.
I mean ya if was rude but it was kind of true...Beyonce was better.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:13 pm
Well even if Beyonce' makes great Music Videos, that was still no way to embarass Taylor Swift and he deserves to get booed.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:18 pm
But he's Kanye he's better then Swift and Beyonce combined yo.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:21 pm
I don't even like his music, nor do I listen to it.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:40 pm
This guy says it best.
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Kanye West Has Truly Lost It This Time Posted 27 minutes ago by Billy Johnson, Jr. in Hip-Hop Media Training You know that saying, it takes a village to raise a child? Apparently, Kanye's village has failed him. He obviously doesn't have a real friend in the world. There does not appear to be anyone who can get through to him, to make him understand that he needs to curb his obnoxious behavior. I thought it was a joke when Kanye showed up on the MTV Video Music Awards stage next to Taylor Swift, right in the middle of her acceptance speech for Best Female Video for "You Belong With Me." It was the first Moon Man for the 19-year-old country starlet, who has become an equally huge star in the pop world. Click here to watch Kanye's outburt. "I always dreamed about what it would be like to win one of these one day," Taylor said with surprise. "I never thought it would happen." As Taylor continued, Kanye interrupted, saying he thought Beyonce's "Single Ladies" video was wrongly overlooked. "Hey Taylor, I'm really happy for you, but Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time." Taylor looked humiliated. I felt humiliated for her. The audience booed him, and gave her a standing ovation. I didn't expect Taylor to win that award, and I'm not upset about Kanye's opinion. However, bum-rushing the stage wasn't the appropriate time and place to express his disagreement. Not only was Kanye's approach disrespectful, it was especially disrespectful because it was directed towards a woman--a teenage girl, actually. Taylor won't turn 20 until December. I can only imagine how her father feels. I'm sure he would like to have a talk to Kanye. I'm not related to her, and I'd like to have a talk with him. If Kanye wants people to win the awards he thinks they deserve, he should create his own event. He should name it after his website, KanyeUniversecity.com, and webcast it. Kanye is a guest at the MTV Video Music Awards. He does not determine the winners. The winners are determined by popular vote. Furthermore, aside from the fact that Taylor Swift is a top-selling artist, who has revolutionized teen country pop, she did not have any competition in this category as her competitors Beyonce, Lady GaGa, Pink, and Kelly Clarkson split the pop vote. Taylor had to get 100 percent of the country vote, plus some of the pop vote as well. It's simple math that even a "College Dropout" should be able to figure out. Ironically, a MTV writer joked that Kanye's rant was an indication that he might be inebriated. "Kanye West ruins Taylor Swift's big moment," the MTV.com editor wrote. "Further proof that he's on the Hennessy. In my humble opinion, that is." MTV also reported that Perez Hilton and Hayley Williams started a #TeamTaylor trend on Twitter. Pink tweeted about her annoyance with Kanye. "Kanye West is the biggest piece of sh-t on earth. Quote me," she wrote. "My heart goes out to Taylor Swift. She is a sweet and talented girl, and deserved her moment. She should know we all love her." Kanye has previously made award show rants about Gretchen Wilson, Justice and Simian, as well as Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake, but this was the worst. I give credit to Taylor. She handled it gracefully. The audience countered him by giving her a standing ovation, and booed Kanye throughout the night whenever his name was mentioned. Taylor performed "You Belong With Me" live just minutes later. I watched, wondering if she would feel flustered, and if it would show in her performance. But it didn't. I think she channeled that negative energy into a positive. Good for her. Fortunately, Taylor got another chance to complete her acceptance speech. When Beyonce accepted the Best Video Award for "Single Ladies," she invited Taylor back on stage. "Wow, this is amazing," Beyonce said when receiving her award. "I remember being 17-years-old and up for my first MTV award with Destiny's Child. It was one of the most exciting moments in my life. So, I'd like for Taylor to come out and have her moment." Taylor then joined Beyonce on stage and recited her acceptance speech, only making a subtle reference to the incident. Before rattling off her special thanks, she said, "Maybe we can try this again." Still, MTV should have thrown Kanye out of the event. Had any other heckler had the audacity to interrupt the broadcast, they would have been thrown out and probably charged. He should not be treated any differently. This dude needs help.
There is nothing more to say about Kanye. That guys ego is way beyond his talent. Taylor Swift should have sacked him and finished her speach. West gets all kinds of awards, god knows why, and he had no business getting up there when Swift was giving her speach. This really speaks of the disrespect that hip hop culture has taught people.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:56 pm
CJ, I'm glad that we can agree on this.
Thanks for the interview
and also, when Beyonce' won the award, she let Taylor have her moment
Now THAT is a person with class and dignity
God Bless Beyonce'
and also, alot of people were talking about that on Facebook, and I'm on there, too and I will post my thoughts on this later on.
again, Thanks for the Statement CJ.
I give you Thumbs Up for it.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:15 am
I like Kanye, I like his music.. but there was no need for him to do this. Does it really matter if Beyonce's video was better? Big deal, Taylor won, he should have accepted that. It didn't even really have anything to do with him, either..
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:15 am
I think Kanye West is an incredibly talented rapper and producer but his ego is massive. He's a real jerk most of the time and this incident backs that up. This shouldn't reflect badly on hip-hop though because 1) West is more R'n'B or as he calls it 'pop art' now anyway and 2) this is one example from many rappers who haven't done anything as disrespectful at award shows. West is seriously conceited. But hey, at least Beyonce was classy. For the record, I enjoy Taylor Swift and Beyonce's music too.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:31 am
Every award show encident reflects badly on the entire industry and this is not the first time West has put himself in the middle of controversy. For example, he attacked a paparazi at an airport. Wether or not the guy should have been shooting photos of West is not the question becuase it was in a public place and West is a public figure. West also made the Katrina Benifet all about Kanye when he said "George Bush hates black people." From then on, the show was about what Kanye said and not about raising money for the hurricane victims. Kanye West also appear on the cover of Rolling Stone, in a crown of thorns, depecting himself as Jesus. These are just a few of the times that West has made his own controversy. Behavior like this should be saved for the Hip Hop Source Awards. The can put West on right after the shoot out portion of the show.
I also fail to see were the talent is. He can't sing worth a damn, doesn't play an insturment, doesn't read sheet music, therefore he can't right a song. Any "music" in a Kanye West song comes from someone else. I have heard him sing and it is brutal...
West should have been thrown out of the event, no question and they should have shut him down before he got to say anything. Cut the mic, go commercial, and then let Swift finish her speach. It was very classy for Beyonce to give Swift her time and you tell by the look her face, when West brought up her name, she was horrified.
This are the actions of a man that thinks he is far more important then he really is, but this rediculious display will only fuel his record sales because this is the kind of thing that sells to his audience. There will be a bunch of Kanye apologist trying to explain away his intentions, but his intentions were clear. He was promotiong himself in a moment that had nothing to do with him.
All he has really done is perpetuate sterotypse and expose himself for the fraud that he is. West once said that he was bigger then Elvis and that hip hop would be bigger then the Beatles. Comments like that display his arrogance. West is a douche bag narcissist. Calling him a muscian takes away from real muscians. His only contributions to music are rythming words and being a douche bag narcissist. Both of which, we can live without.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:40 am
Well here's more:
Kanye West Has Truly Lost It This Time Posted Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:08pm PDT by Billy Johnson, Jr. in Hip-Hop Media Training
You know that saying, it takes a village to raise a child? Apparently, Kanye's village has failed him. He obviously doesn't have a real friend in the world. There does not appear to be anyone who can get through to him, to make him understand that he needs to curb his obnoxious behavior.
I thought it was a joke when Kanye showed up on the MTV Video Music Awards stage next to Taylor Swift, right in the middle of her acceptance speech for Best Female Video for "You Belong With Me." It was the first Moon Man for the 19-year-old country starlet, who has become an equally huge star in the pop world.
"I always dreamed about what it would be like to win one of these one day," Taylor said with surprise. "I never thought it would happen."
As Taylor continued, Kanye interrupted, saying he thought Beyonce's "Single Ladies" video was wrongly overlooked. "Hey Taylor, I'm really happy for you, but Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time."
Taylor looked humiliated. I felt humiliated for her. The audience booed him, and gave her a standing ovation.
I didn't expect Taylor to win that award, and I'm not upset about Kanye's opinion. However, bum-rushing the stage wasn't the appropriate time and place to express his disagreement. Not only was Kanye's approach disrespectful, it was especially disrespectful because it was directed towards a woman--a teenage girl, actually. Taylor won't turn 20 until December. I can only imagine how her father feels. I'm sure he would like to have a talk to Kanye. I'm not related to her, and I'd like to have a talk with him.
If Kanye wants people to win the awards he thinks they deserve, he should create his own event. He should name it after his website, KanyeUniversecity.com, and webcast it.
Kanye is a guest at the MTV Video Music Awards. He does not determine the winners. The winners are determined by popular vote. Furthermore, aside from the fact that Taylor Swift is a top-selling artist, who has revolutionized teen country pop, she did not have any competition in this category as her competitors Beyonce, Lady GaGa, Pink, and Kelly Clarkson split the pop vote. Taylor had to get 100 percent of the country vote, plus some of the pop vote as well.
It's simple math that even a "College Dropout" should be able to figure out.
Ironically, a MTV writer joked that Kanye's rant was an indication that he might be inebriated. "Kanye West ruins Taylor Swift's big moment," the MTV.com editor wrote. "Further proof that he's on the Hennessy. In my humble opinion, that is." MTV also reported that Perez Hilton and Hayley Williams started a #TeamTaylor trend on Twitter.
Pink tweeted about her annoyance with Kanye. "Kanye West is the biggest piece of sh-t on earth. Quote me," she wrote. "My heart goes out to Taylor Swift. She is a sweet and talented girl, and deserved her moment. She should know we all love her." Kanye has previously made award show rants about Gretchen Wilson, Justice and Simian, as well as Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake, but this was the worst.
I give credit to Taylor. She handled it gracefully. The audience countered him by giving her a standing ovation, and booed Kanye throughout the night whenever his name was mentioned. Taylor performed "You Belong With Me" live just minutes later. I watched, wondering if she would feel flustered, and if it would show in her performance. But it didn't. I think she channeled that negative energy into a positive. Good for her.
Fortunately, Taylor got another chance to complete her acceptance speech. When Beyonce accepted the Best Video Award for "Single Ladies," she invited Taylor back on stage. "Wow, this is amazing," Beyonce said when receiving her award. "I remember being 17-years-old and up for my first MTV award with Destiny's Child. It was one of the most exciting moments in my life. So, I'd like for Taylor to come out and have her moment."
Taylor then joined Beyonce on stage and recited her acceptance speech, only making a subtle reference to the incident. Before rattling off her special thanks, she said, "Maybe we can try this again."
After the awards, Kanye posted an apology to Taylor on his website, KanyeUniversecity.com. "I'M SOOOOO SORRY TO TAYLOR SWIFT AND HER FANS AND HER MOM," Kanye wrote on his site, AP reported. "I SPOKE TO HER MOTHER RIGHT AFTER AND SHE SAID THE SAME THING MY MOTHER WOULD'VE SAID. SHE IS VERY TALENTED!"
Still, MTV should have thrown Kanye out of the event. Had any other heckler had the audacity to interrupt the broadcast, they would have been thrown out and probably charged. He should not be treated any differently.
This dude needs help.
credit: new.music.yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:23 am
Concrete Jesus wrote:
I also fail to see were the talent is. He can't sing worth a damn, doesn't play an insturment, doesn't read sheet music, therefore he can't right a song. Any "music" in a Kanye West song comes from someone else. I have heard him sing and it is brutal...
1) write, not right. 2) what you consider good singing isn't fact. 3) in my opinion, many rock bands' singing sounds terrible. I consider Mariah Carey, Beyonce etc to be some of the best singers ever. 4) Kanye West is primarily a rapper, not a singer. He mostly makes hip-hop tracks. 5) if he has no talent then how has had 3 number one albums? Clearly he must be doing something right. Go write some lyrics better than 'Family Business'. Have a commerical hit rap song and then tell me he has no talent.
I really get annoyed when people dismiss artists as talentless simply because they don't enjoy the music when I really doubt they could produce a rap song themselves that doesn't sound hilariously bad. It's so short-sighted. I hate Coldplay, I'd rank Chris Martin as a dreadful singer and I think that they're overrated by many. I would never say they are talentless though. That would just be stupid when they've achieved so much.
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This are the actions of a man that thinks he is far more important then he really is, but this rediculious display will only fuel his record sales because this is the kind of thing that sells to his audience. There will be a bunch of Kanye apologist trying to explain away his intentions, but his intentions were clear. He was promotiong himself in a moment that had nothing to do with him.
This isn't going to fuel his record sales. He's already a massive star and this will just further tarnish his reputation with the media. It'll get him some attention but it will also be detrimental in public image. I take offence to you claiming his audience, which includes me as I listen to his music, are people who are for this sort of behaviour. I am a massive fan of Kanye West's music and I'm not going to defend his actions. I'm going to condemn them. Don't generalize, CJ.
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All he has really done is perpetuate sterotypse and expose himself for the fraud that he is. West once said that he was bigger then Elvis and that hip hop would be bigger then the Beatles. Comments like that display his arrogance. West is a douche bag narcissist.
Hip-hop is arguably bigger than The Beatles. They were just one band whereas hip-hop is an entire genre. Although there is no real factual way of proving what is bigger unless you add up the record sales of every hip-hop artist in history and compare that to The Beatles. I know The Beatles have sold around 600 million records. Eminem, Tupac Shakur and Jay-Z have sold a combined total of over 225 million. That is just three rappers out of thousands and I imagine when adding up other big stars like T.I., Snoop Doggy Dogg, Ice Cube, Eazy E, Dr Dre, N.W.A., DMX, 50 Cent, Kanye West, Lil' Wayne, The Notorious B.I.G., Nelly etc, it would exceed 600 million. That's just a prediction though, I'm not going to add up all the album sales of rappers just to prove a point.
But yes, Kanye West is a very arrogant man and he makes some very foolish comments which reflect poorly on himself. I'm not denying that at all.
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Calling him a muscian takes away from real muscians. His only contributions to music are rythming words and being a douche bag narcissist. Both of which, we can live without.
Stop being such a snob and accept other forms of music. Hip-hop is music and to say otherwise just because you don't like it is very short-sighted. You might not rate rap as something which takes skill but I really doubt you could create music which is consumed by millions of people all over the globe. I'd like to see you create a sampled beat like Kanye West does. I'd like to see you write rhymes more intelligent and relevant than Immortal Technique. I'd like to see you record it with better diction and flow than Eminem. If rap takes no talent then upload your own rap song and lets have a listen.
Oh and I realise Kanye West is a dickhead most of the time. But lets not go overboard and make out he's Adolf freakin' Hitler. West has appeared and participated in many fundraisers, benefit concerts, and has done community work for Hurricane Katrina relief, the Kanye West Foundation, the Millions More Movement, 100 Black Men of America, a Live Earth concert benefit, World Water Day rally and march, Nike runs, and a MTV special with Kanye West helping young Iraq War veterans who struggle through debt and PTSD a second chance after returning home. He's also donated 500,000 dollars to a foundation to aid kids in learning to read and getting a better education.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:38 am
Kanye's blog after the VMAs which was deleted earlier:
He is such an asshole. Even though I don't quite agree with the result, it's not like it's Taylor Swift's fault that the fans voted for her. She's only a teenager and Kanye's a damn adult. He needs checking up because there is something wrong with him. Seriously disrespectful.
Props to Beyonce to what she did though.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:17 pm
Last week, the Beatles made 1.6 billion in one day, on sales of their Rock band game, 40 years after they broke up. Hip Hop is not and will never be bigger then the Beatles. Their music has stood the test of time while West is a flash in the pan. 40 years from now, he will be forgotten.
Congrats on finding on spelling error, but that still does not change the fact that West is not a talented musician. Calling him a "muscian" is an insult to real muscians. I also loath Coldplay, but they are far more talented then any rapper. Cazoo players are more talented then rappers. I would not make a living rythming if I could. Part of the way West sells records is his pop culture image. Stunts like last night is what his career is built on. Name a rapper and they have all been successful the same way. They sells records based on their fabricated image.
Good singing might be subjective, but West is bad by any standard and not every rock band has the greatest vocals I have ever heard, some of them are down right terrible, but at least they bother to learn to play an insturment. Take away the vocals from Lamb of God and you have comlpex and difficult musical compostions. Take away the rapping and you have???? There is not such thing as an insturmental in rap music.
How did has he had 3 number 1 albums? A combination of his image that he has built with antics like last night and being what pop culture is buying right now. 40 years from now, his music will be all but forgotten. 40 years from now, people will still be listening to the Beatles.
Snoop Doggy Dogg, Ice Cube, Eazy E, Dr Dre, N.W.A., DMX, 50 Cent, Kanye West, Lil' Wayne, The Notorious B.I.G., have all used their gang banger type image to sell records. NWA had songs like "Fuck the Police" with lyrics like "Fuck the police. Fuck fuck fuck them" Briliant. Snop Dog has made his living through his image and afinity for smoking pot. Emeinm punched his wife and then made a song about killing her and buring the body. Lil Wayne has also sold records based on the thug image he has built for himself, but that does not seem to be just an image for him. He still lives the thug life. Hell, he might be going to prison soon because he has charges pending in NY for drug possesion and Georgia for illegal fire arms. Then he glorifies his illegal activity in his songs. I watched an interview he did with Barbra Walters, before the Grammies last year and he said he thinks that he can do whatever he wants. He thinks that rules and laws do not apply to him. DMX has had all kinds of legal trouble that he has glorified in his songs. BIG got himself shot over a "war" between rap groups. Tupac was also a vicitim of the lifestyle he glorified in his songs. I remember Emienm at the VMA's a few years back and he did this joke glorifing getting high on pills. He reached into his pocket to get his speach and a bunch of pills fell out. HAHAHA illegal use of prescription drugs is hiliarious. Back the early 90's, the LAPD came to the VMA's to arrest Snop on an outstanding warrant and he used MTV to run interfernce so he could get away and then he bragged about it. Isn't there a rapper that calls himself "Murder" that was just convicted of murder? That is something to aspire to. Maybe he will write a rthyme about it in the joint and he will make some cash to by cigs and pay someone to make sure he doesn't get ass rapped in prison.
West has done some good charity work, good for him, but anything he had done for charity has been over shadowed by his mouth. "George Bush hates black people." I didn't make that up, he actually said that on live TV.
If I could only write a genius lyric like Yeah. Then I could be famous. If that is what it takes to have fame, you can have it. What about "Makem say Unnnnn nah nah nah nah. That is briliant work there. Fuck the police. Fuck the police. Fuck fuck fuck them....Oh yeah, we are rollin now. For Shizzle....Rappers have killed the english launge. You caught my spelling error, but "shizzle" is not even a word. All they do is grunt out some vowels and consonant, lay in a genirec rum beat, throw in some bitches and ho's or fuck, and there you go. I learned how to play an insturment and read music. I would rather play my guitar in obscurity then make money rapping. I may never be famous. Hell, I may never make a living playing guitar, but I do have diginty and respect. I do not call woman "bitches" or "hos". I might never come up with a genius lyric like "I ain't sayin shes a gold digger, but she ain't playin with no broke nigga."but I will also never refer to anyone as a "nigga". You want to go after some bad grammer, that whole thing is barely enlgish. "Ain't playin with no" is a double negative. "Nigga" is not a word.
I have often wondered why they sells records and once again, the answer is due to there image.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:23 pm
^ Lmao. Someone has a real complex on rap music. Props for knowing some details on these rappers though.
You can't state factually that Kanye West is a flash in the pan or that he will be forgotten in 40 years. Can you see into the future? No. Your point is completely invalid. He's a massive star right now. 3 consecutive number one albums. Recognize he is popular. People consume the music. They pay for the music. They don't pay for an album they don't even like just because Kanye West says controversial things. There is no logic in that claim at all, CJ.
You're talking about image but every act sells or creates interest for themselves based on it. Why else is Beyonce dancing round in a tight leotard in her videos? Why does Marilyn Manson dress up in all that crazy gothic clothing? Same with Ozzy Osbourne. It's all part of their image, be it as a gangsta, a sex symbol, a goth, an emo, whatever. Rap culture is very gangsta-orientated. That's the way it is. That's the culture. If you don't like it then don't listen to it. Just because the subject-matter is something you don't relate too doesn't mean it's bad.
Although you're being very stereotypical (and again, short-sighted) by dismissing all rap songs by those artists as songs based on hoez, bitches, bling and guns. There have been soooooo many songs which have meaningful emotional subject matter or that portray that lifestyle in a negative manner. Go listen to the following if you want proof:
When I'm Gone ~ Eminem Beautiful ~ Eminem Mockingbird ~ Eminem Dear Mama ~ 2Pac Life Goes On ~ 2Pac Changes ~ 2Pac You Never Know ~ Immortal Technique Dance With the Devil ~ Immortal Technique We Can Make It Better ~ Kanye West Family Business ~ Kanye West Roses ~ Kanye West
That's just a list off the top of my head. There's many more. You shouldn't base your opinion purely on some songs on the radio like 'Gold Digger'. That isn't a complete representation of Kanye West or rap music as a whole. Besides, 'Gold Digger' is a great song. There are women out there who marry for cash, it's about time somebody made a song about it. There are several lulzy lyrics in there.
Swearing? The term bitch? Oh come on. You're acting like Bill O'Reilly. Are you trying to tell me you've never refered to someone as a bitch or a whore? Your precious rock music has lyrics which are sometimes Satanic, violent and nihilistic. So don't try and take the moral highground on lyrical content and subject matter.
I caught you spelling error, yeah. Sure, rappers aren't exactly the most articulated but what they say on a song is different to a CGS forum thread. I was just pointing out your mistake. I don't think you did that on purpose whereas Kanye West set out to say 'ain't playin' with no'. Don't get so riled up though, I can see my comment annoyed you. I was just sayin'.
I listen to Lady GaGa, Taylor Swift, The Libertines, Oasis, Eminem, Limp Bizkit, Beyonce, KoRn, Calvin Harris, Daft Punk, Fall Out Boy, Marilyn Manson and more. I guess I'm just more open-minded and accepting of music than you. The subject matter isn't something I'll get so negative towards though. I personally don't care for screamo as I don't enjoy the sound of people shouting like that. It just doesn't suit me, I'm not going to launch some offensive against the artists and fans though. People can like what they want. You shouldn't be so dismissive.
Oh and I'm still waiting for that rap song. If rap takes no talent then it shoudn't be hard for you to produce a beat (oh and FYI: the beats are often created using live bands, Dr Dre plays the piano for example and was requested to produce for Madonna), write some rhymes and record it. I love this argument because it works so well. If rap really was talentless then you could create a rap song, put it on Youtube and get some good rates. But you can't and you won't even try it because you know you can't do it well despite claiming it takes no talent to do. =]
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:30 pm
Concrete Jesus wrote:
Really long quote...
Let me start off with a simple HI HATER!
Now that I got that out of my system, you can go through history and into Rock and find people equally fucked up as Eminem or any rappers you mentioned. I mean Marilyn Manson, he was blamed for Columbine. Then Led Zepplin and Slayer accused of of Santanism. And how often are their Mosh Pits at Rap concerts? I have no fear when I go to a Jay-Z concert that I'm going to go home punched in the face. And when I hear my friends who go to local Metal concerts for unheard of bands they brag about beating the shit out of people.
Now I guess we are throwing vocals out the window because seriously it's to each their own. You don't like someone's voice that's your opinion. Rap is complex when done by some people. It's hard to write a rap and you don't want to use a rhyme that is already in another famous rap song. Rap isn't about the music. The instrument is the person's voice. And each rapper creates their own flow. Eminem experimented with his flow in his last album. Most rap songs also try to deliver a message or have an objective. It's like spoken poetry to fit a beat.
Kanye West is a dick, quite simple. He made a dick move last night. But he's a great muscian. He made great songs and that's not just my opinion, look at the charts. Look at the awards he won. He has won in categories not only for hip-hop.
You can't hate on peope for using the N word. I took a civil liberties class where we talked about that word. It seems like you don't understand that it's a slang word. I was taught that it basically using it to embrace it. It's better to remember the history then to just forget it. People who use it have made it their own word with a bit of respect about it. I've been called sombody's n-word and I wasn't offended by it cause I knew it's meant as a term of brotherhood, like someone who is accepted.
You are looking at hip hop through a very closed and narrow mind. At least when I listen to other genres I don't close my ears and just look at the negative. There is plenty of songs out there with deeper meanings look at Like Toy Soldiers by Eminem, trying to end violence in Rap. Look at Ether by Nas who is trying to gain respect by dissing Jay-Z. Look at Through The Wire by Kanye he's showing that nothing can hold him down, not even having his jaw wired shut. Look at Jesus Walks by Kanye! He's saying that he is told not to talk about his religion.
Fuck Tha Police, I like how you just looked at chorus. They were from a time where the police were racist, hell it seems like they still are. It still happens here in New York. They are saying that cops assume all black people are up to no good because of their skin type.
And don't even start to talk about drugs. Nearly every great muscian has either has been high, or has been inspired by someone who has been fucked up. So don't hate on Snoop cause he likes the ganja.
And don't talk about shit you don't know. Cause Eminem wrote the song '97 Bonnie and Clyde to express to Kim his anger. It's a lot better he got it out in words then actually going through with it. And Kim and him actually reconciled after that song. They ended up having problems again and he made another song about killing her. But there is violence in all types of artist's work. Edgar Allen Poe for example?
I could go on forever but I'll just end with,
Motherfuckers say that I'm foolish I only talk about jewels, Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:42 pm
^ Pwnage. SOL ftw.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:21 pm
The problem I have with the subject matter of rap music is this. Young, impresional minds listen to it and think that is the propper way to live and treat people. I am old enough to know that the subject matter in heavy metal songs is just fodder for metal songs.
You are correct when you say that a lot of rock muscians use their image to sell their product, but if you took away all of Ozzy outward appearance and left just the song, you still have viable piece of music.
Manson is almost the metal equal of Kanye. They both do things that will create buzz in the press and that helps them sell albums. I am I naive enought to think that Manson would have been a hit without the wierd ass clothes or the satanic lyrics, of course not. Manson has done some of the strange stuff in the history of pop culture and he does it to sell albums and himself. In a way, Manson is as much a product as his music is. I am not really a Manson fan, by the way.
I do not refer to woman as bitches and ho's and certianly not on a grand scale like hip hop, but I am no Bill O' Riley. I don't beleive in censoring these "artist", I just think that A. there audience needs to understand that their songs are for entertainment, not a lifestyle guide and B. parents should keep children from hearing violent rap songs. I love Metallica, but I would not let my children listen to them, until I know that they understand the difference between entertainment and real life.
Metal bands use their image to sell records, but hip hop goes further then that. These guys live the "thug life" or whatever they call it these days. They wear bullet scars and legal trouble like badges of honor, but that is their choice in life. The main problem I have with rap music, other then the fact that I don't think it is vaible music, is the way that it has permiated the culture we live in and a very large segment of people do not understand that rap music is a form of entertainment.
I don't really know you, but you seem to know the difference. The problem is some people do not. They immulate these false idols and end up exactly where they rap about.
You really want to compare Emeinm to Poe's work? This is not about violence because violence is all around us, everyday. It is about knowing the difference between entertainment and reality. Rambo is an awesome movie charactor, but he does not work in the real world. Emenim is a charactor, Marshal Mathers is the man. 50 Cent is a charactor, Curtis Jackson is the real person behind "In the Club".
I do not condone the use of the slang term "nigga" because it is slang for the most racist term ever. White people used that term do demean millions of black people and it should never he used again, by anyone. That slang term only perpetuate racism. Racism is still alive becuase some people want it to be. Are there some dumb hicks in the woods, with sheets over their heads, yes, but rap music does it's part to perpetuate racism as well. Kanye West is racist. I do not agree with anything President Obama has done since becoming president, but I would never go on TV and say "Barack Obama hates white people." That is ignorant and racist. It is OK for Kanye to say because he is just being Kanye, but all hell would break lose if a white guy said anything like that about Obama.
For me, it all boils down to this: Some people know the difference between entertainment and real life, some do not, and Kanye West is a racist dick head, with an ego the size of Texas and skill the size of Rhode Island.
I will "hate on" Snop because he smokes weed and there are 2 reasons. 1. It is illegal and 2. Some people will listen to him rthyme about smokin weed and think that is the way you are supposed to live. For the record, I do not use any drugs and I never have.
I have already said that there is a fair share of rock songs glorifing drug use and if you listen to the story of some of the great rock bands, they will say that drugs almost killed them. Booze and drug abuse has ruined lives of the rich and famous and the average person. Again, people have to have the sense to know when a Black Sabbath songs talks about doing coke, it is a song, entertainment, not a guide to the way to live. I will not know, or ever condone drug abuse. Not only does Snop condone it, he markets it to people who don't know any better.
You have an explanation about "Fuck the Police." What about the song "Cop Killer"? How well do you think that helped race relations, in LA, in the early 90's?
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:06 pm
Going to ignore the current discussions and go back to the topic at hand. The only problem I see with this entire thing is that he decided to do it during her speech, other than that, I find everything else acceptable. He shouldn't of voiced his opinion during her speech and lucky for Taylor, Beyonce was nice enough to give her time to Swift but, I find no problem with what he said. Personally, I'm not a fan of Taylor Swift (I hate, "Love Story" so much), Beyonce (I hate, "Halo" or whatever its called) and, Kayne West (hated the Billy Jean he did [I think it was him]). Of course, I've heard a few more songs from each but, those were the ones I disliked the most.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:28 pm
The orginal problem that I had with this is that he is arogant enough to take someone else time and complain about who wins. It is fine if the thinks Beyonce should have won. Tweeter about, go on the after show and complain about it, but he was way out of line last night.
Now I have had enough Kanye talkin for maybe the rest of my life, so I am out of this thread.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:46 am
What an asshole D=
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:44 pm
Y2J X wrote:
Going to ignore the current discussions and go back to the topic at hand.
Same here, but only cuz the posts were too fuckin long
Call me an asshole, but I found it hilarious. The first time I heard it (it was an audio clip on the radio) I thought it was some sort of sketch or something. I mean yeah, he's an asshole, but that's nothing new. This is Kanye, deal with it. It's happened on so many occasions (almost on a yearly basis actually...something about awards just tick him off) are we really going to say every year is the new "worst" moment of his. Just sit back, enjoy the ride, and laugh your ass off.
On a side note, when he won an award in the past that he didn't feel he deserved, he did give it to Outkast...just putting that out there.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:02 pm
That jack off wins plenty of things. He had no right to get up and take her time, wether you like her or not. It is just further proof that he is a self promoting jack ass. I would love to see him get puched in the face by anyone. Bum fighter vs. Kanye, that would be good TV and Kanye's best work by far.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:34 am
Kanye's ego really does exceed his talent. I don't care how many number one CDs you have, I don't care if you win fucking awards out the ass, I don't care if you started a revolution or not.
He tried to do the same shit at Bonnaroo one year, he fucking held his concert late and people threw shit at him because he fucked up the fireworks display they had set up. Then he had the nuts to go on to say he was never going to go to Bonnaroo again because he was above that. The same place that held concerts like Metallica and Snoop Dogg and he is above them? Give me a fucking break.
Also he likes putting Fish Dicks in his mouth as confirmed by South Park.
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Subject: Re: Kanye West Crashes VMA Stage During Taylor Swift's Award Speech Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:27 am
Oh boo hoo, Kanye expressed his opinion at the wrong time. People are getting way too hyped up over this. It's not like he killed someone. Get over it! To be fait to Ye, he gave his award to Outkast one year when he felt they deserved it more. He does a fair amount of charity work too. He's just big-headed but I'm sure most of the mainstream music stars are too, they just conceal it better for their image.
Oh and personally, Ye > Metallica by far.
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